Next month, my wife and I are off to Nice for a short holiday break. We are going to Cap Ferrat since a colleague has offered us the use of a waterfront villa. I couldn't turn down the invitation since the first time we visited the area on a Eurail holiday in 1977, we couldn't even afford to stay there for a night. We ended up spending an afternoon on the beach with our luggage, surrounded by glamourous people under their rented beach umbrellas. But this blogpost isn't about holidaying on the Cote d'Azur. It's about booking flights to the Cote d'Azur. While many people prefer to have a travel agent book their travel, I like to do it myself. I want to find the shortest flight times, most convenient departure times, good seat selection, at the best value. While I prefer to fly Business Class, I am reluctant to pay four times the economy price unless it is an important business trip. Furthermore, I recently discovered that if you purchase a Premium Economy ticket, you can often upgrade to Business Class for a modest fee compared to booking a Business Class ticket. On my last trip to the Netherlands, it cost $740 to upgrade each way.
For my desired dates, the most direct flights were Vancouver-Frankfurt and Frankfurt- Nice. On the Air Canada website this cost $983 for Economy, $1733 for Premium Economy, and $4,784 for Business Class. The flight to Frankfurt was AC7395. The other flights had Lufthansa (LH) flight numbers. I decided to book Premium Economy.
When I tried to view the advanced seat selection, I received this message:
This flight is operated by Ew Discover Gmbh. You'll need to complete your seat selection with them after completing your booking. Seat fees may apply.
So, I proceeded to book the flights through the RBC Avion website using a combination of points and cash. Now here is where it gets bizarre. When I went onto the Eurowings website to select my seats, I found this message:
You can select and reserve your preferred seat for your Eurowings Discover flight directly during the booking process or even when checking in. If you want to make or change your reservation at a later date, you can conveniently book your seat in the My Bookings section of the Lufthansa website. Seats are limited, so we recommend that you reserve the seat you want as early as possible.
Have you booked your flight with Eurowings Discover through a tour operator and would like to add a seat reservation to your booking?
Unfortunately, a seat reservation cannot be added to your booking without the 6-digit Eurowings Discover booking code. If you have not been provided with your booking code yet, please contact the tour operator directly with your request.
While I did not have a 'Tour Operator' I did have RBC Avion, so I contacted them. After a one hour and forty-minute delay, they called me back. I was told they could not provide a Eurowings Discover booking code or select seats, so I asked if they could give me a North American phone number for Eurowings, which they did.
When I phoned the number, I was asked my card number. I said I didn't have one. I was then asked for my Social Security Number. When I asked why they needed this, they said it was for security purposes. When I asked who I was speaking to I was told I was speaking to Discovery Credit Card. They had given me the wrong number!
I called RBC Avion back and was given this telephone number for Eurowings Discover: 1 833 272 1446. I eventually spoke to an agent who told me that unfortunately she could not select seats on an Air Canada flight. I should contact Air Canada.
I then tried to select seats for the LH Frankfurt-Vancouver leg but was told I would have to contact Lufthansa. Which I did. Lufthansa told me that since the flight is operated by Eurowings only they could do seat selection. So, I gave up.
Now, while most people are leaving Twitter, I am not. I decided to tweet out a fraction of this bizarre experience and Frances Bula responded that she has found the best way to get results from Air Canada is to Direct Message (DM) them. I did and received an immediate response from an agent. I explained what was happening and she offered to assist me on the Vancouver-Frankfurt leg. I subsequently received the following responses:
"This is a codeshare. It is marketed as AC7395 which is actually operated by 4Y 071 (meaning, it isn't our aircraft, we regret to say). Our department closes in an hour. As an exception this time and only this time, we will call them on your behalf. BRB and hopefully they pick up before we close."
"Michael, we've tried to reach all possible numbers (at least 3) for Eurowings and all numbers went straight to fail. We then called Lufthansa and gave us a 4th number for Euro Wings which, also failed. They might not be 24 hours (surprisingly). Could you reach back to us tomorrow as a reminder? I will be back at 16:00EST. Like I said, this was an exception but I am willing to look into it further tomorrow when my next shift starts and hopefully it will work or they will be open."
I sent them the phone number I was given, and the next day received this message:
"Hello Michael, we regret to say we don't have good news. We were able to reach them. In complete honesty, what they advised didn't make sense to us. They kept saying they can only access a Lufthansa or Eurowing ticket number, not Air Canada. We were being insistent as they kept saying they don't have a ticket agreement but, we do. We called 3 different agents and they all advise the same thing. Maybe they have an old reservation system that has a limitation (We changed our reservation system in 2019. Before then, the one we had was more than 50 years old...). They've advised the seats can only be booked 24 hours before flight departure time. Regards" I thanked the agent for all her efforts.
Now, I realize that with all the horrific problems in the world today, I should not get too concerned because I can't select Premium Economy seats on flights between Vancouver and Frankfurt en route to a villa on the Cote d'Azur.
But I share this experience since more of us are now flying. As a Canadian (and Aeroplan member) I like to fly Air Canada whenever I can. While Air Canada boasts about this new partnership, I would like management to know there is a fundamental problem with this new arrangement since each partner says it can't select seats on the other's airline and so it becomes impossible to pre-select seats!
I am sure many will take great delight reading about my difficulties and frustration selecting seats. "Christ Geller. Stop worrying about airline flights and spend more time doing something to address homelessness."
I get it. However, this situation needs to be rectified so that others who truly need to pre-select seats because they're travelling with young children or have special needs can do so on Air Canada/Eurowings flights. I will let you know if I make any progress.
16 comments:
Michael, your problem is like homelessness there is a lot of buck passing but not a lot of effort extended to fixing the problem. We gave up on AC years ago for similar issues. The more things change the more they remain the same!! Good luck! Barbara
Why is Eurowing (a TOUR operator) operating a Lufthansa flight, marketed at Air Canada? This then is a charter operation, and not
a regular commercial flight operation and I find this bizarre. I was in the travel industry the majority of my working life and this makes no sense whatsoever. Seat selection is important, especially on a long haul flight. You are going Premium Economy where seats will be limited, so I wouldn’t throw in the towel yet. This is unacceptable and there has to be a work around. Air Canada is
the vendor here, and they need to sort this.
Thanks to both of you for your comments. Much appreciated. (I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is bizarre! Cheers
Thanks to both of you for your comments. Much appreciated. (I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is bizarre! Cheers
Every hair on my head has turned grey! I admire your perseverance, Michael! The whole world is upside down. Are we in Wonderland?
What ended up happening??? This is so bizarre!
Also, I’ve shared your website in my social networks.
Thank you, I will try and check back more frequently.
I honestly appreciate individuals like you! Take care!!
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